Right, by "make" I mean, keep askin' about it. Don't let 'em get away with not answering. Turn 'em away from parties, chase them out. People get away with it 'cause nobody actually makes them feel bad afterwards either.
And I get it, 'cause that's fuckin' hard too. You gotta really be invested in makin' somebody see your point of view.
I'm not invested in making her see my point of view. I don't want to commit myself to harassing her indefinitely. She's not worth that much of my time.
Yeah, exactly! I guess what I'm tryin' to get around to askin' is... why is she worth any of your time, if whatever you choose to do isn't gonna make her not do it again? If it won't solve the problem in any way, then you might as well just focus yourself elsewhere, don't you think?
[ s-shrugs, and gives her a kind of rueful grin ]
That's usually the kinda thing I mean when I tell you to not worry about stuff, or to not bother over people who're being trouble. I'm not sayin' you oughta forgive them or let 'em off the hook, but... if you're mad and they're not learning or changing then you're the one still losing out! They're not worth it! Put effort into the people and things who are worth it, and otherwise... whatever!
...I guess my thing is... I won't believe anything is totally impossible to do something about. I won't give up without trying. Trying might at least do something, even if it doesn't totally solve the problem.
And that's especially true for people like this, because just leaving it alone will make it worse. Whether I do or don't forgive them doesn't affect them. So they'll learn that they can do that kind of thing and nothing will happen, and they'll have even less hesitation about doing it than before.
Well, I'm never gonna tell you not to try! I just want you to make sure you're doin' something you actually think is gonna fix the problem.
You didn't say you were gonna kill her, but watching the people who would... I get the feelin' they kill people in retaliation just because it makes them feel good to do it, but that's all! I don't wanna see you be that way 'cause it's just as much about doin' what you want as the person you're tryin' to get back at, while lyin' to yourself about why you're doin' it. It's the same thing!
Nah, it's not that I think they enjoy killing, I think they just... wanna make people hurt the way they hurt, and feel justified and righteous about it 'cause they're doin' it to get back at somebody.
...And I think it's almost never gonna be the only solution here. If nothin' else... we're dead! We're in hell! But we're still walkin' and talkin' and supporting each other! Fuckin' anything is possible! There's no way that killing somebody is the only answer!
Haha! That sounds like him, yeah. Well, I'm glad you've got him lookin' out for you the way you are for him.
So... we covered talking to her and killin' her, and neither or those are good. What else we got? B likes shrinkin' people are putting them in jar-jail, I think he calls it. We tried that yet?
[ drifts over to giiiingerly sits on the bed...nearish her. Trying to be friendly and supportive! ]
[She looks up a little surprised at the comment about her looking out for Intensity, and the surprise doesn't fade when he sits down on the bed, although she doesn't look upset about it.]
...That's probably best for stopping people when they're in the middle of doing something, rather than afterwards. Intensity suggested Nightmare Vision...
It has to be related to their current situation. A nightmare about something they're doing going wrong, somehow. But beyond that, we can make them see whatever, I think. I haven't tried anything particularly out there with it.
...Does it have to be violent or scary or whatever? Like, make it so she shows up to the next game without her shirt and there's a test she didn't know about, or something like that!
...Yeah, I wasn't excited about that one. It's not worth the effort for something trivial, and I don't feel like coming up with an elaborate psychological torture is really a better solution than just killing her, even if people would let me off easier for it.
Well... it's not like you actually gotta figure it out right now. There's no time limit on bein' mad about it, or not knowing how to feel about it. We got time to brainstorm.
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And I get it, 'cause that's fuckin' hard too. You gotta really be invested in makin' somebody see your point of view.
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[ s-shrugs, and gives her a kind of rueful grin ]
That's usually the kinda thing I mean when I tell you to not worry about stuff, or to not bother over people who're being trouble. I'm not sayin' you oughta forgive them or let 'em off the hook, but... if you're mad and they're not learning or changing then you're the one still losing out! They're not worth it! Put effort into the people and things who are worth it, and otherwise... whatever!
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And that's especially true for people like this, because just leaving it alone will make it worse. Whether I do or don't forgive them doesn't affect them. So they'll learn that they can do that kind of thing and nothing will happen, and they'll have even less hesitation about doing it than before.
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Well, I'm never gonna tell you not to try! I just want you to make sure you're doin' something you actually think is gonna fix the problem.
You didn't say you were gonna kill her, but watching the people who would... I get the feelin' they kill people in retaliation just because it makes them feel good to do it, but that's all! I don't wanna see you be that way 'cause it's just as much about doin' what you want as the person you're tryin' to get back at, while lyin' to yourself about why you're doin' it. It's the same thing!
...You get me?
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I don't enjoy killing. There are just some situations where it's the best solution. Or the only one.
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...And I think it's almost never gonna be the only solution here. If nothin' else... we're dead! We're in hell! But we're still walkin' and talkin' and supporting each other! Fuckin' anything is possible! There's no way that killing somebody is the only answer!
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And I'm not going to kill her. I promised Intensity I wouldn't do anything else stupid, and that would be stupid, after all of that.
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So... we covered talking to her and killin' her, and neither or those are good. What else we got? B likes shrinkin' people are putting them in jar-jail, I think he calls it. We tried that yet?
[ drifts over to giiiingerly sits on the bed...nearish her. Trying to be friendly and supportive! ]
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...That's probably best for stopping people when they're in the middle of doing something, rather than afterwards. Intensity suggested Nightmare Vision...
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How much control do you have over that? What happens in it, and all that.
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[Just gives him the most tired and unimpressed look.]
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